However, even though the 7mm Mag is derived from the .375 H&H Magnum and itself uses a fatter case than cartridges like the .270 Winchester and .30-06 Springfield, the 7mm WSM still has a significantly fatter case with less taper and a steeper shoulder angle (35 degrees vs 25 degrees).Even though the 7mm WSM uses a larger diameter case, the 7mm Rem Mag uses a relatively large diameter case itself and is significantly longer. Discussion Starter • #1 • Nov 18, 2013. So the WSM has an edge, albeit a slight one. The two Hornady loads fired the same bullet with a scant 30 fps of difference between them, with the .300 Win Mag having a tiny velocity edge. Benchrest shooters discovered many years ago they could obtain a small, but definite advantage in accuracy by using short, stubby cartridges. varies from company to company, but the basic trend is the same regardless of the exact rifle we’re talking about. Additionally, the .338 Winchester Magnum is a traditional belted magnum while the 325 WSM has a rebated rim and no belt. Both are wonderful for situations like hunting mule deer in Arizona or pronghorn in Wyoming. Those factors result in this particular 300 WSM load having about 7% less free recoil than the .300 Win Mag. This makes sense since the 7mm WSM is specifically designed to fit in a short action rifle instead of a standard length action like the 7mm Rem Mag. Just like with the 270 WSM, this is due to the very large diameter of the 7mm WSM cases that simply take up more space in a rifle magazine than the thinner 7mm Rem Mag case. Likewise, ammunition for the .270 WSM is less likely to be found on every store shelf, but it’s relatively widely available, and many sporting goods stores—even relatively small stores—often stock .270 WSM. These two cartridges present an interesting case though. The 7mm Remington mag is well established but not so versatile as the.30-06. It also carries a tad more energy out to longer range and is capable of excellent accuracy. The .222 Rem. vs 6.5 Creedmoor — Cartridge Clash, Ruger Launches New American Rifle Predator in 6.5 Grendel, Mossberg Patriot Predator 6.5 PRC Rifle Review. In the WSM .270 fans found a short, powerful, efficient round that could be housed in compact, lightweight short-action rifles and which edged closer to 7mm Rem. In short, this rifle and cartridge come about as close to being the mythical, all-round North American big game rig as the 270, 30-06, 7mm Rem. Both cartridges also offer a substantial increase in power, both in terms of bullet frontal surface area and kinetic energy, over the 300 Magnums as well. However, their .555″ case diameter is larger than those used by the 7mm Rem Mag and .300 Win Mag (.513″) as well as the .270 Winchester (.470″). It's still at the gunsmith with some final mods to the ejection port. OSG's Lynn Burkhead and Ruger's Matt WIlson kick off SHOT Show 2018 by taking a look at the Ruger Predator. Below you can see the differences between the 325 Winchester Magnum and the .338 Winchester Short Magnum in terms of external dimensions. The 325 WSM also has a slightly higher maximum SAAMI pressure than the .338 Winchester Magnum (65,000psi vs 64,000psi).Unlike all the other comparisons in this article, the 325 WSM and .338 Win Mag use different sized bullets. This is illustrated in the table below comparing Federal Premium and Hornady factory ammunition loaded with 140gr Trophy Bonded Tip (.430 BC) and 162gr ELD-X (.631 BC) bullets in 7mm WSM and 7mm Rem Mag. Exploring areas of concern that are vital for anyone who wants to increase a rifle's accuracy. So with that said, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with the 300 WSM either I understand why other hunters prefer the 300 WSM. The 7mm shoots .284-inch diameter bullets through bores .28-inch across, but only two use this Imperial measuring system in their titles: .280 Remington and .284 Winchester, both excellent but under-rated “standard” velocity cartridges. Just like with the 270 WSM vs 270 Winchester, 7mm WSM vs 7mm Rem Mag, and 300 WSM vs 300 Win Mag, the .338 Win Mag is significantly longer than the 325 WSM. You can even use them both on larger game like kudu, eland, red stag, elk, and moose with great results. Is the 300 WSM capable of excellent accuracy? In fact, the difference in published velocity is often smaller for the 300 WSM vs 300 Win Mag than the 7mm WSM and 7mm Rem Mag. For example, 4-5 round magazines are pretty common with the .270 Win, but 3 round magazines are about all you’ll find with the 270 WSM. Seventy-six years after the .270 broke cover Winchester launched the .300 WSM, and a year later in 2002 Winchester unveiled the .270 WSM. ©2020 Outdoor Sportsman Group. After all, fans of the Winchester Short Magnum cartridges like to point out the benefits of the shorter and fatter powder column. 270 WSM vs 270 Winchester ballistics. The last of these cartridges, the .325 WSM, was introduced in 2005. That extra velocity makes a bit of a difference in terms of wind drift and overall trajectory to be sure, but that slightly flatter trajectory is less important in this day and age of laser rangefinders, particularly if you have a scope equipped with a bullet drop compensating dial. Seventy-six years after the .270 broke cover Winchester launched the .300 WSM, and a year later in 2002 Winchester unveiled the .270 WSM. The situation is basically reversed when comparing the 220gr 325 WSM and 225gr 338 Win Mag. Following the immediate success of the .300 WSM in 2001, the .270 and 7mm WSM were introduced in 2002. So, not only is it possible to shave some length and weight off a rifle while retaining the same length barrel, but shorter actions also give the shooter an advantage from a shorter bolt throw (and a correspondingly faster cycling time) as well as a tiny advantage in accuracy due to their stiffer action. Both rifles in this case also have a 3 round magazine, so there’s no advantage there with either cartridge. Though it’s not quite as commonly used as cartridges like the .270 Winchester, 7mm Remington Magnum, or .300 Winchester Magnum, the .338 Winchester Magnum is still quite popular. The difference is not, however, extraordinarily dramatic. However, the same rifle in .338 Win Mag is advertised at 7.75 pounds and 46.75″ long overall (because it has a 26″ barrel instead of a 24″ barrel like the 325 WSM rifle). I prefer the 700 in 7mm SAUM because it is SS and I generally prefer SS to CM in my "working" rifles, but they function equally well. 150 grain, 165 grain, 180 grain, 190 grain, 200 grain, and 220 grain bullets are the most popular.Similar to the case with the 7mm WSM vs 7mm Rem Mag, the 300 WSM and .300 Win Mag factory loads often fire the exact same bullet at virtually identical velocities. Is it significantly more accurate than the .300 Winchester Magnum? However, though the .300 Win Mag (like the 7mm Rem Mag) is derived from the .375 H&H Magnum and uses a fatter case than cartridges like the .270 and .30-06, the 300 WSM still has a much fatter case with less taper and a steeper shoulder angle (35 degrees vs 25 degrees). Since those older cartridges already have such well established (and deserved) reputations, not to mention an abundant selection of quality rifles and ammunition, any new cartridge competing against them had better provide a significant advantage to convince enough people to make that switch. However, the 7mm Remington Magnum has a gigantic advantage in terms of availability and variety of rifles and ammunition. Mag. The 7mm WSM is similar to the .300 WSM with the case necked down to handle .284" bullets. Both cartridges will work really well on whitetail and mule deer sized game out to several hundred yards. Hunters who look hard enough can probably find what they need, but it can be challenging sometimes. I think we can agree that most hunters and shooters in North America are probably familiar with the venerable .270 Winchester, 7mm Remington Magnum, .300 Winchester Magnum cartridges. In 1925 Winchester necked down the .30-03 to .277 and created the .270 Win., a sporting cartridge designed for medium-size game that shot flatter yet recoiled less than the .30-06 Springfield. After all, fans of the Winchester Short Magnum cartridges like to point out the benefits of the shorter and fatter powder column. Since the 270 WSM uses a significantly shorter cartridge, you’d probably expect rifles in that cartridge to be shorter and lighter than rifles chambered in .270 Winchester. The new Sako Finnlight II sports an innovative stock and Cerakote metal paired with the terrific 85 action. Or was the Winchester Short Magnum line of cartridges just a scheme by Winchester to sell new rifles that’s cleverly disguised by a bunch of marketing hype? After all we wouldn’t want to hurt someone’s sensitive feelings. You got to figure one or two should survive. Absolutely. Before we get started, I have an administrative note: Some of the links below are affiliate links. Again, probably not. For those reasons, the .300 Win Mag actually has significantly more case capacity (around 10-15% more, depending on the manufacturer) than the 300 WSM. That being said, it’s probably a little bit more expensive and, while there’s a good variety of ammo for the cartridge, the .270 Winchester usually has a bigger selection regardless of where you go. Is it significantly more accurate than the .338 Winchester Magnum? With that in mind, the 325 WSM is a better choice for situations where very large and tough game like sambar deer or moose are likely to be encountered at close range. Additionally, the .300 Win Mag has a shoulder moved further forward than the 7mm Rem Mag. For instance, the vast majority of 7mm Rem Mag factory loads shoot bullets in the 139-175 grain range. While there is a big overlap in bullet weights the 325 WSM and .338 Win Mag can use (both cartridges are commonly loaded with bullets in the 180 grain to 250 grain range), the .338 Win Mag generally leans a little heavier than the 325 WSM. On the other hand, if a light weight rifle is less important and if you don’t have any issues with a standard length rifle action or just prefer an older and more established cartridge with a larger variety of ammo and rifle choices, then go with the .300 Win Mag. This is one of the tougher aspects of using the 325 WSM: there’s not a gigantic variety of factory ammo or a large number of bullet choices for hand loaders to choose from. Ok let’s give them the benefit of the doubt and say they like availability and reliable feeding. Mag. So, while the 7mm WSM is faster on paper, the two cartridges have essentially the same velocity for all intents and purposes. I'm struggling with the same issue. Please note, the following information reflects the estimated average ballistics for each caliber and does not pertain to a particular manufact In fact, depending on the exact brand of factory ammo we’re talking about (like Barnes VOR-TX), the 300 WSM may have a faster published velocity. 1000yardstare. The Lyman 50th Edition (p197-198, 199-200, 214-216, 219-220,257-259, 260-262, 288-289, 294-295) and Hornady 10th Edition (p351-359, 356-359, 406-411, 412-416, 564-573, 574-585, 637-639, 659-664) reloading manuals were used as references for the history of the cartridges. First, the .300 Win Mag is a lot longer. That’s is because the 325 Winchester Short Magnum load in question uses about 12% less powder than the .338 Win Mag. Just like with the 7mm WSM vs 7mm Rem Mag and 300 WSM vs 300 Win Mag, even though the 325 WSM uses a case with a larger diameter, the .338 Win Mag itself has a relatively large diameter case and is significantly longer. For instance, the 325 WSM has 99% of the energy of the .338 WSM at the muzzle, 94% at 200 yards, and 86% of the energy of the .338 Win Mag at 500 yards. For this reason, this particular Model 70 in 270 WSM is actually longer (44″ vs 42.5″) and heavier (7.25 pounds vs 7 pounds) than the Model 70 in .270 Winchester. The 7mm WSM also has a higher maximum SAAMI pressure than the 7mm Remington Magnum (65,000psi vs 61,000psi). Winchester Short Magnum History. The 270 Winchester Short Magnum very likely does gain some accuracy benefit from its shorter powder column. The generally better feeding and overall reliability of most .270 Win rifles is a big plus as well. However, there are many, many other factors that influence accuracy more than that one trait. On the other hand, that’s not a gigantic advantage in favor of the 270 WSM either. I’m not sure if it cracks the  Top 10 best selling rifle cartridges in the United States each year, but it’s likely in the Top 15 or Top 20. This is illustrated in the table below comparing Nosler Trophy Grade and Winchester Power Max Bonded factory ammunition loaded with 200gr AccuBond (.450 BC) and 220gr (.403 BC) Bonded Rapid Expansion Hollow Point bullets in 325 Winchester Short Magnum and 225gr (.550) AccuBond and 200gr Bonded Rapid Expansion Hollow Point (.323 BC) bullets in .338 Winchester Magnum. Maximum pressure obtained from SAAMI (p23, 24, 28, 30, 31, and 32). In that same vein, those fat, stubby 270 WSM cartridges with their very steep shoulder angle can sometimes present feeding problems. The answers to the above questions really depend on the rifle, ammunition, and shooter in question though. This is not a guarantee of course and there are 325 WSM rifles feed quite reliably. Well, the 200gr 325 WSM bullet starts off with a little bit less muzzle energy than the 200 grain .338 Win Mag bullet, but the 325 WSM is more aerodynamic and pulls ahead in the energy and trajectory departments at 100 yards and 300 yards respectively. The great thing about the WSM family is that converting one to another is easy if the others die off(270,300,325). With bullets of 130 to 140 grains, the .270 WSM will buy you between 150 and 200 additional feet per second of velocity. Even so, I’d personally lean towards .338 Win Mag since it generally functions more reliably, shoots larger diameter bullets, and is usually a tiny bit more powerful. What about accuracy of the 7mm WSM vs 7mm Rem Mag? After all, a longer cartridge simply requires more space to feed and eject than a shorter cartridge. with muzzle velocities of 3,100 and 2,970 fps, respectively. However, the 270 WSM has a very fat case with minimal taper and a much steeper shoulder angle (35 degrees vs 17.5 degrees).For those reasons, the 270 WSM is unique among the Winchester Short Magnum cartridges for actually having significantly more case capacity (around 10-20% more, depending on the case manufacturer) than its standard length cousin. What about accuracy of the 300 Win Mag vs 300 WSM? First, the 7mm Remington Magnum cartridge is significantly longer. Maybe, but probably not. However, the 300 WSM is capable of attaining almost the same performance as the .300 Win Mag while using less powder. The .338 Winchester Magnum and 325 Winchester Short Magnum cartridges have similar, external ballistics, especially at ranges inside 300 yards. Mag. Comments are turned off. They’re both outstanding cartridges and I’d say that the 300 WSM is the best designed out of the Winchester Short Magnum line. All told, both are wonderful cartridges for hunting some of the larger species of North American big game or African plains game. More on this in a minute, but it’s worth noting that for those two AccuBond loads in particular, the 325 WSM has almost 95% of the kinetic energy of the .338 Win Mag and has essentially the same trajectory out to 200 yards. Both cartridges normally use bullets in 150-230 grain range. Additionally, the company also advertised that the shorter case used by the WSM cartridges resulted in superior accuracy and less recoil. I have killed elk with ,260 rem, 6.5 x 284, 270 win, 270 wsm, 7mm saum, 7mm rem mag, 300 wsm. He loaded with Win brass, Fed 210M primers, H1000 and 180 gr Bergers. But at 400 yards the difference is less than two inches. Mag., substantially more than the old 270 Win. For all intents and purposes, we can say that the two cartridges have the same ballistics. Second, both cartridges use the same .277″ diameter bullets. The 325 WSM shoots .323″ bullets while the .338 Win Mag uses .338″ bullets. Theres a differnce in in 270 WSM case compared to the 7mm WSM case. Copyright © 2020 Big Game Hunting Adventures LLC | All Rights Reserved. Is it significantly more accurate than the .270 Winchester? The.270 WSM is a good cartridge but, honestly, it is a very small player in terms of market share. more energy at that range. Taken together, these factors all maximize the case capacity of the WSM cartridges, even though their overall length of 2.86″ is still short enough to fit in a short-action rifle. Though Winchester advertises a 24″ long barrel and a 7.25 pound overall weight for each cartridge in this particular Model 70, the rifle chambered in 7mm WSM is 1/2″ shorter overall. However, both the 7mm Remington Magnum and 7mm Winchester Short Magnum cartridges are capable of excellent accuracy in the right hands and will get the job done under most circumstances if the shooter is up to the task. However, regardless of the firearm in question, rifles chambered in .270 Winchester can usually hold an extra round or two in the magazine since that cartridge has a slimmer case. Unfortunately, the future isn’t looking very bright for that cartridge right now. wusses when it comes to recoil. )Author Ron Spomer has shot most cartridges from 22 CB cap to 505 Gibbs and taken game with most of them. But off the top of my head it would seem to be the case. As fans of the Winchester Short Magnum cartridges like to point out, the 325 Winchester Short Magnum likely does gain some accuracy benefit from its shorter powder column. If you already have a rifle in the cartridge and don’t mind the smaller selection of factory ammo (or if you’re into handloading), the 7mm WSM will also serve you very well as a hunting cartridge. RifleShooter Digital Staff - April 20, 2020. When comparing two loads with identical bullets (Hornady’s 145-grain Precision Hunter ELD-X), the .270 WSM is 130 fps faster than the .270 Win. However, both Nosler and Winchester manufacture their Trophy Grade and Power Max Bonded lines of ammunition in both cartridges. However, the distance from the case head to the datum line on the shoulder is longer for the 7WSM, preventing accidental chambering or firing of the .284" 7mm bullet in .270 WSM's .277" bore. While both cartridges are really too light for hunting extremely large, thick skinned dangerous game like cape buffalo, they will both fit the bill for hunting Grizzly or Alaska Brown Bear. There are a number of relatively inexpensive factory loads for the .270 Win. With heavy (150 grain) bullets the difference is about 100 fps, hardly enough to place the WSM in a different league than the original .270 Win. 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